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House passes bill without immunity for telecommunications companies.

by: Archangel M

Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 21:33:06 PM EDT


The U.S. House of Representatives today refused to grant telecommunications companies retroactive immunity for assisting dictator George W. Bush in his illegal spying.

I interrupt this report for a brief rant: I really wish Reuters and other news agencies would cease using the word 'defy' and its derivatives when reporting about stories such as this.  Congress is the legislative body, and the branches of government are supposed to be co-equal.  Congress cannot, according to the Constitution, defy the executive branch because it is not subservient to it.

I now return to the story at hand.

But the 213-197 vote was far short of the two-thirds majority needed to override a promised veto by Bush. He has demanded that any telecommunication company that participated in his warrantless domestic spying program secretly begun after the September 11 attacks receive retroactive immunity.

As MSNBC reports, 'Because of the promised veto, "this vote has no impact at all," said Republican Whip Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri.'

Republicans falsely accused Democrats of endangering national security by refusing to grant immunity.  But their arguments are based on deception; since the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- passed in 1978 and updated in 1994 -- set up a secret court that doles out ninety-nine percent of all warrants applied for, there is no legal block to using the power of the federal government to spy on alleged terrorist communications.  It is also unlikely that terrorists would be foolish enough to use telephone and Internet services to pass on information.

Bush's illegal spying on American citizens is motivated, like Richard Nixon's administration, to keep tabs on political enemies and to monitor dissent.  If telecommunications companies face prosecution for their role in helping him break the law, they may be more likely to cooperate with investigators to go after members of the White House who ordered the illegal wiretaps.  Bush wants to provide immunity in order to take away any incentive for that cooperation, because testimony and evidence is likely to directly implicate him in lawbreaking.

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And 12 Dem's voted against it, (3.00 / 4)
I'm working on a simple contact post for all of those stinking blue dogs.  Can you believe one of them was DK?  Sad, but true.

Here's the vote link-
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/200...

"The people who are for me, are fearless." -JRE


Here's his reason. (3.00 / 2)
http://kucinich.house.gov/News...

Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) released the following statement regarding his opposition to the FISA Amendments Act of 2008:

"Blanket warrants, institutionalized by the Protect America Act, will continue with the enactment of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008.  Under this bill surveillance of persons abroad could infringe on the Fourth Amendment rights of U.S. citizens," Kucinich said.

The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 is the latest version of FISA legislation to be considered by the House of Representatives.  Provisions outlining the conditions under which a warrant can be issued are vague.  They require no evidence of wrongdoing and contain no explanation of how the information will be collected.  The bill also permits warrants of an undefined scope.  They do not need to contain details about the facilities, places, premises or property to be searched.  These provisions undermine America's Fourth Amendment rights.  

"The Constitution dictates that the government must have cause to spy on U.S. citizens.  But this bill ensures that all targeted international communication that the government intercepts is not covered by the Fourth Amendment even if a U.S. citizen is involved.

"Although this legislation was an improvement over past versions of irresponsible FISA legislation, it does not include retroactive immunity for telecommunication companies and ensures that the courthouse door remains open.  I cannot support a bill that undermines Constitutional protection of civil liberties."

"If we permit our constitutional rights to be watered down out of fear, we have given up our democracy.  Congress must stand firm and defend the Constitution," said Kucinich.



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Thanks (3.00 / 2)
I hadn't seen the statement.

"The people who are for me, are fearless." -JRE


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So..what happens after Bush's veto? (3.00 / 3)
We go through it all over again?

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Yep, it all starts again...maybe. (3.00 / 1)
This does seem to comport to what I've been reading in some circles of the blogosphere.  Word is that Democrats outside the Bush Dog caucus have been trying to delay passage of telecommunications immunity as long as they can.  Congress breaks in May so its members can focus on the elections.  I think the theory goes that if they can keep pushing this issue back, then it shall eventually die once Congress focuses its attention on campaigning for the Summer.

Of course, never underestimate the ability of the shrub to find a way to make the illegal perfectly legal.  This was a skirmish that appears to have been won.  But don't think for a moment that this is over.  We cannot take a rest on this or any other issue.

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Opposition to House FISA Bill from Left (3.00 / 2)
I can give Kucinich, McDermott, Welch, and Filner a pass, but only for two reasons.  First, the end result was Bush not getting the retroactive telecom immunity.  Second, they hopefully have made it clear that they are just as opposed to telecom immunity as the 213 Democrats who voted yes, and can be counted on as reserve votes should Jim Marshall or John Barrow cave in like Heath Shuler or Nick Lampson did this last time (I'm assuming Shuler and Lampson voted their way more to "look tough" in a conservative district than in any principles Kucinich articulated in his statement).

The bad news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.  The good news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.

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