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Thank God for alternatives.

by: Archangel M

Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:55:31 PM EDT


Salutations!  I discovered this web site by happenstance; I was one of many victims of the Daily Buggery candidate wars, and finally decided to get my account banned from there.  That place no longer serves its stated purposes (if ever it did), and I am not the only one to have reached this conclusion.

I see that this appears to be a more news-oriented web site, and so I shall endeavor to focus my entries here on more solid reporting and analysis of the news, as opposed to merely stating my opinion.  I do intend, however, to write the odd political essay, so consider yourself forewarned as my opinions are often blunt.

And so, with my introduction out of the way, on to the news.

Archangel M :: Thank God for alternatives.
While the corporate punditry is distracted by the flap over Geraldine Ferraro's comments about Barack Obama and the sex scandal plaguing soon-to-be-former New York governor Eliot Spitzer, the battle over FISA continues as U.S. dictator George W. Bush threatens to veto a House bill over the issue of retroactive immunity for the telecommunications companies that helped him break the law.  According to Reuters:

Bush is seeking immunity for telecommunications companies that participated in his warrantless domestic spying program after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001 and are now facing lawsuits.

The House legislation, scheduled for a vote later on Thursday, would allow phone companies to present their defense behind closed doors in federal court, with the judge given access to confidential government documents about eavesdropping begun after the September 11 attacks.

But the shrub is not satisfied with even this charade, instead selfishly insisting that telecommunications companies be granted full immunity from all lawsuits in addition to immunity from prosecution.  He also demands that all immunity be retroactive, so that he and his co-conspirators may avoid prosecution for past violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

FISA was originally passed by Congress in 1978, following the revelations of illegal spying by president Richard Nixon during his tenure earlier in the decade.  The thirty-seventh president had resigned in 1974 ahead of impeachment proceedings for having violated the law and the Constitution.  FISA was designed to limit the scope of executive power to eavesdrop on American citizens.

The shrub has claimed unchecked power to spy on Americans in the name of fighting terrorists, but has consistently failed to provide any substantive evidence to show that his violations of FISA have actually prevented terrorist attacks on the U.S.  FISA requires that the federal government obtain warrants from a special court in order to conduct surveillance on foreign nationals.  The FISA court, which grants 99% of all warrants applied for, was amended in 1994 so the federal government may spy for up to seventy-two hours before having to apply for a warrant.

But even this proved insufficient for the shrub's demands.  An exposé by the New York Times in December of 2005 revealed some of the extent of Bush's lawbreaking.  Last year, Congress -- by then under Democratic Party rule yet still caving in to the shrub's demands -- passed the unlawful "Protect" America Act, which violates the Fourth Amendment right against illegal searches and seizures by the government.  The act expired in early February, but all illegal surveillance ordered in that six-month period is still able to be carried out with no hope of prosecution against abuses.

Last month, Senate capitulation leader Harry Reid succeeded in passing a bill that grants the retroactive immunity demanded by Bush.  It has since been tied up in the House of Representatives, but immunity is likely to pass that body in some form despite public efforts to pressure Congress not to allow any such amnesty.

Amnesty for telecommunications companies means that in any official investigation, persons involved would have no incentive to cooperate with authorities or turn over evidence.  This means that, in the highly unlikely event Congress upholds its Constitutional duty to impeach Bush for high crimes, those in a position to provide testimony or evidence have no reason to cooperate.

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Didn't he veto this last Sunday? (3.00 / 9)
To me, it's despicable.  

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No, I think his veto last weekend was on the bill to prohibit (3.00 / 14)
waterboarding by the CIA, but equally disgusting.

[ Parent ]
That it was. (3.00 / 16)
And I agree, it was absolutely disgusting.

This user is banned as of 9/8/08. His IP address is also banned.

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It's hard to keep up (3.00 / 11)
with all the despicable things Bush has done. One of my biggest problems with invoking transformation without adequate explanations on HOW you intend to transform is because Bush is about as transformational as they come and NOT in a good way.

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Alternatives are good indeed. (3.00 / 17)
Welcome, Archangel M.  I was sent this way by a commenter at DKos and am happily installed today.  The atmosphere is so much better here.

Shrub and company have no intention of letting anything less than full amnesty be the final decision.  My best guess includes a lot of hidden activity as yet undiscovered.  The continued push for amnesty and more obfuscation makes too little sense without more coverup in the mix somewhere.

Peace.

Jerry Northington for Congress, DE-AL.


Thanks! (3.00 / 15)
Ironically enough, it was a comment (discovered by happenstance) by the same Daily Buggery member I linked to in today's entry that led me here.  I've since discovered the joys of blogging at Political Flesh Feast, Booman Tribune, Docudharma, Smirking Chimp, Campaign for America's Future, and now this web site.  I think I'm going to like it here very much.

You're right, anything less than full immunity from prosecution shall be vetoed by the shrub.  Never mind that, going by the ridiculously dishonest "reasoning" he exploits, it means that so-called terrorist communications might go unmonitored.  The boy is holding America hostage to his demands that he be allowed to engage in fascistic spying on the nation's citizens.

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I found my way here through a dkos commenter, (3.00 / 8)
too. I am delighted to be here.  

[ Parent ]
Hi Archangel M and Blue Jersey Mom. (3.00 / 6)
Thanks for the link to crazyshirley's diary. I hadn't read it. Every word in it could have come from me. I am healing by being here. I just don't feel so driven and irritated.

I hop over to check out the news and read a couple diaries, but for the most I look and leave. I think I'm going to need a week of naps just get my natural energy back.

On the FISA issue, I hope that those in the House don't give in to Bush. If they can just keep the ball in the air for a while I think that he will lose. People are beginning to question some of the snooping because of the Spitzer mess, the more they wonder about who's in their bank account and listening on their phones, the better for us.

Edwards Democrat, voting for Progressive ideals and practical measures. HealthCare for all!


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BJM, nice seeing you around these parts. (3.00 / 4)
One more refugee from the candidate wars is always welcome.  

Peace.

Jerry Northington for Congress, DE-AL.


[ Parent ]
Hi Blue Jersey Mom! Welcome! (3.00 / 4)


We cannot solve the problems of today using the same thinking that created them~Albert Einstein

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Unitary Executive Power (3.00 / 12)
Is an issue.  I remember the panel at YK and except for Edwards and Dodd, I wasn't quite clear about the other candidates in how they viewed that kind of power.  

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agreed. none of the candidates are talking about this! (3.00 / 3)
very disturbing!

We cannot solve the problems of today using the same thinking that created them~Albert Einstein

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Gotta point out the obvious... (3.00 / 18)
The fact that Bush doesn't want to have to get a warrant from FISA, no matter their 99% approval rating, leads me to believe he doesn't want us to know who the administration is spying on. Period. The companies and the administration have been violating the law and they don't want to be punished. We're about to see our own party cave and enable their actions. Wow, isn't it depressing?

On a happier note, welcome to EENR!  

Netroots Director for Oregon Senate Candidate Jeff Merkley


What you said, sarah. (3.00 / 12)
leads me to believe he doesn't want us to know who the administration is spying on. Period.

Simply put, that is the point.  He certainly doesn't want and retroactive knowledge about who the administration HAS spied on either.  Or when that whole episode began (likely prior to September 11, 2001).

I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.
Adlai Stevenson


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correct. Think why so many dems are caving? (3.00 / 2)
what do they have on them?

We cannot solve the problems of today using the same thinking that created them~Albert Einstein

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Welcome Archangel M - excellent! (3.00 / 13)
Excellent that you found us and an excellent diary.

Cheney and Bush should be impeached and in that order or simultaneously. Bush vetoes every bill that comes his way so the notion that it would be disruptful to impeach is wrong. Besides it wouldn´t be disruptful anyway.  


Love your phrase (3.00 / 13)
Senate capitulation leader Harry Reid

I just find it astounding how Reid and Pelosi keep enabling Bush.  I now do NOT trust the Democrats either and wonder what IS going on behind the scenes.  

I just don't get this need to go along with Bush.  Our representatives are not interested in justice at all.  

We need to make congress fear the people.  How we do that with a manipulative media, I have no idea but we have to try.


I like that phrase too. (3.00 / 12)
And remember, "Shrub" isn't doing evil things anymore without the help of the "Senate capitulation leader Harry Reid and the House capitualation leader Nancy Pelosi".  Pelosi will cave on immunity for telecoms, just as Reid already did.  I'm disgusted by all of them.

The function of man is to live, not to exist.
I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them.
I shall use my time.  Jack London


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I got this email this afternoon, and thought it had already been passed?? (3.00 / 11)
Dear *****,

Your action made the difference.

The New York Times reports that Chairman Silvestre Reyes is going to let the House vote today on a FISA reform bill that does not include telecom immunity.

You made thousands of calls to Rep. Reyes and got his attention. As he tried to play both sides of the issue, you hit back with a full page ad in the El Paso Times, his district's largest newspaper. And now, because of you, Chairman Reyes and House Democrats will vote to hold the Bush Administration accountable for warrantless wiretapping.

You won the battle, but this fight is not over. The bill must be voted on by the Senate and the Senate Intelligence Committee. Chairman Jay Rockefeller has said he will not let this bill get to the Senate floor without telecom immunity.

DFA members have consistently fought back against telecom immunity. No matter how many times Bush used fear mongering to try and scare America or cried it was unfair to hold his Administration and AT&T accountable for spying on innocent Americans, we fought back.

And the New York Times reports that today's house bill will even include a provision to help the courts protect potential state secrets. This will allow the currently stalled court cases to finally move forward and prosecute the offenders.

You and I know telecom immunity is really about the Bush administration covering their tracks. The American people get it, House Democrats get it, and now we need to make sure Senator Rockefeller gets it.




Sic Transit Gloria Locavore

From the rumors I've heard... (3.00 / 6)
The House is divided on whether to pass this, or tie it up indefinitely.  So far we've got the FISA battle in the indefinite tie-up column, but a-holes like Reyes keep on throwing it into doubt.

This is why it's so important to primary these jerks.  Iowa's Leonard Boswell signed on to impeachment against Cheney after Al Wynn lost his race against primary challenger Donna Edwards.  So this added pressure helps.  Any Bush dog Democrats still unwilling to play ball after surviving a primary must be made to face serious challenges from independent Progressives.

This user is banned as of 9/8/08. His IP address is also banned.


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I get those messages all the time (3.00 / 7)
from politicians, asking me to take action or contact so-and so about such-and-such. If a reply were allowed to them mine would be: "We wouldn't need to take action or contact anyone if you'd do your stinking job in the first place!"

"To know someone here or there with whom you can feel there is Understanding in spite of distances or thoughts expressed. That can make life a garden."  -- Goethe

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Impeach Now (3.00 / 9)
Impeach them both.  Tie it up.  I care less about losing the legislative time than I do giving them the opportunity to push us into Iran.  That is my deeper fear.  Bush and his cohorts in constitutional highjacking must be paralyzed.

PS...slightly embarrassed you referenced my see ya later, alligator farm diary.  I tried to make it as sensible and unoffensive as possible.  

And welcome home!

I'm an old Southern woman.  We're suppose to wear funny old hats, ugly dresses, and grow things in the dirt.  I didn't make the rules.--Steel Magnolias



I am glad s/he posted the link because (3.00 / 3)
I missed it. I remember you being sane over there. Nice to see you here.

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Thanks. (3.00 / 4)
I'm a 'he', for the record.  And thanks for recognizing my sanity.  Glad to be here.  :^)

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What did you do (3.00 / 6)
to get banned from the big orange? Not that I want to do this, but I am guessing you did this because there is no way to delete your own account, correct?

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I publicly named one of the trolls. (3.00 / 8)
His user handle is MBNYC, but I found out at Political Flesh Feast that he's a semi-known contributor at the Daily Gotham.  So I simply referred to him by his real name in reply to one of his troll comments.

The system is gamed rather well over there anyway, so my act was simply the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.  What the trolls do is gang up on you with negative ratings, so that if you have trusted user status you end up losing it.  Enough negative ratings, and you're automatically banned.  The trolls move quickly to protect each other by upping their own ratings so that their comments cannot be hidden from view.  It's effective, but not at all subtle.

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Oh yeah. (3.00 / 6)
That will get you banned. I must admit that I understand why some people are over there making trouble with some of the people that are serially TRing people who are posting perfectly civil comments that go against the grain, I just can't do it. If I want civility and courteous but vigorous discussion, I don't want to add to the noise. But I so understand.

Hi, I remember your name from over there and this is my first comment here. This seems like a sane group of people with level heads, a very nice change.


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fearless, and with cojones, too. I like it! (3.00 / 4)


We cannot solve the problems of today using the same thinking that created them~Albert Einstein

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Good to see people with real interest in real issues (3.00 / 4)
regrouping and gathering here.

Supreme Court decision: one narrow vote for corporate personhood, one giant leap toward Banana Republic status.

I was getting TR'd on DKos... (3.00 / 3)
for making jokes. I suggested that Obama took a pill to make his shit smell like cookie dough. And apparently, that was over the top. :-)

Actually, I accidentally wrote that his shit TASTED like cookie dough.

Oops.

When you come to a fork in the road, take it. - Yogi Berra


lol...in fact, roflmao.... (3.00 / 2)


We cannot solve the problems of today using the same thinking that created them~Albert Einstein

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he has to be hit hard on this (3.00 / 4)
if he is so interested in protecting the country then he should show it.  I am po'd by him.

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ps...welcome!!! (3.00 / 2)


We cannot solve the problems of today using the same thinking that created them~Albert Einstein

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