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Getting Lost on the Way to the White House

by: Michael Conrad

Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 16:17:01 PM EDT


( - promoted by Benny)

There are two things I should make clear at the outset.

I am speaking only for myself.
I will vote for Senator Obama in November, and I'll do all that I can to help him get elected. This election is far too important to mess around with.

Since Senator Obama declared his support for the new FISA legislation, I've seen a significant amount of the pushback from those who have been longtime supporters.  Their willingness to speak critize a candidate they worked hard to nominate is encouraging.   I believe this is a very good sign for the future of the Democratic Party.

While Senator Obama was my second choice, from October 2007 on, he became an increasingly distant second.  There were times that, considering that he had the spotlight on him from the moment he announced, I found his campaign to be sorely lacking substance wise.  Obviously it was politically successful, but I thought he didn't make the most of his captivated audience and tremendous ability to resonate with the electorate.  I consider myself a strong supporter now, because it is critical that he be elected.

Now that all of that is out of the way...

Michael Conrad :: Getting Lost on the Way to the White House
Senator Obama has been trying to have it both ways too often as of late, and he's damaging his ability to call out John McCain on his litany of flip flops.  I don't see how Obama can run against "politics as usual" while taking part in them.

The Obama campaign's strategy has short - sighted to a point that it could cause real problems in the long - term.  You can't call union - fueled 527s "special interest groups" (when they work for others) without undermining a key part of the Democratic coalition.   If you suddenly change your mind when one goes to work for you, you play into the anti - union attacks from the right.

It's also diffiuclt to see how Obama can decry the "politics of fear" while failing to dealing with the biggest flaws in the new FISA legislation.  I'm beginning to wonder if other flips are around the corner.

Lately, some of us who discuss where this could lead are called "purists" by a handful of very Obama - centric bloggers.  If being frustrated when Democrats needlessly cave, or fundamentally undercut their own message makes me a "purist" in their view, it says a lot more about them than it says about me.

Besides being wrong on substance, I don't think Senator Obam's position on FISA is smart politics.  I'm sure the conventional wisdom is that it was a needed move to the center, but that comes from the Very Serious Pundits Who Are Usually Wrong.  When people believe that a candidate is special... different from all the rest, the disenchantment is going to be understandably more severe when the candidate dissapoints.  Telecom immunity is an issue that has the ability to generate a serious backlash. A powerful coalition of engaged Democrats (almost all of whom hate the idea of telecom immunity), Independents, and Ron Paul - type Republicans could have been called upon to fight it.  A lot of voters are tired of having the fear card played to justify erosions of their civil liberties that, contrary to how they are sold, don't help keep the country safe.

Telecom immunity could have become a rallying point, and a wide range of people could have been compelled to become more involved in the Obama campaign.  Doing so would require Obama's strategists to have the nerve to question conventional wisdom, and judging by past behavior, that may be too much to ask.

David Axelrod is fond of saying that "even the most hardened Democrats are tired of all of the bickering."  Does standing up to an extremely unpopular president qualify as "bickering"?  I can give half - baked, short - sighted and counterproductive advice too. Does anybody want to pay me a ton of money for it?

It's true that many voters are rightfully suspicious of the motivations of politicians, and they don't see how politicians fighting benifits them.  But the issue landscape heavily favors us, and if we communicated what we're all about, we're we are, and we need to go, it won't be all that hard connect the dots and justify the back and forth.

That isn't going to happen if Robert Gibbs keeps encouraging people to believe in the magical, "post - partisan" Hope Unicorn.  On the day of the Iowa caucus, Gibbs was on MSNBC saying that the Dean 04' and Edwards 08' campaigns were "about anger" while Senator Obama's campaign was "about hope."  Gibbs and other Obama surrogates have echoed these sentiments since then.

What is this, Sesame Street?  If Obama gets elected, will Snufalufagus be his press secretary?  You can't have sustained optimism with out a clear plan to make things better.  Without it, this kind of happy talk inevitably breads resentment.

Establishment - types who say that the approach the grassroots advocates for to deal with the entrenched interests is naive seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what we're talking about.  We never said that a Democratic president can go to DC and just tell everyone how it was going to be.  Our central point is that a Democratic president will need to come from a position of strength, confront right - wing talking points head on, and make our case to the American people.  They'll need to push hard to get the most progressive result, and make concessions on big issues after the fight, not before it.

The Republicans and their K Street overlords rammed their agenda down our throat for a long time, and we think they're going to want to play nicey nice all of a sudden?

The difference between us and them is that we would pursue good policy that would beneift the entire country.  And while 80% of Americans thing the conservative Republican agenda has put us on the wrong track, a mainstream progressive Democratic agenda would be generally popular, and get results.

The damage that the system as it is has done to average Americans can not be forgotten or swept under the rug.  If we elect a bold Democrat who doesn't cower at the thought of being called names by the GOP, we can bring about the change that is needed.  Instead we have "general election mode" Obama, who seems hellbent on continuing our party's failed tradition of beginning every debate by ceding the central point.  And all of this in an attempt to earn much - overrated credibility as a "bipartisan" leader.

In DC today, "bipartisanship" enjoys mythical status.  But the difference between the value sets, goals, and priorities of the two parties is far too significant for a fight over the big issues to be avoided. Partisanship is not the problem.  The problem is that the American people don't have a government that works for them.  We value friendship, but we don't send Democrats to Congress to get all buddy buddy with the very people who have put our country through hell.

Health care, the environment, veterans care, and education  should not be partisan issues.   Democrats, Independents, and Republicans are all affected by them.  The GOP has taken a far - right position on these issues that is seriously out of step with the country. If we highlighted the vital contrasts instead of running from them, public opinion and public pressure would be with us.

Julian Bond said it best.  When one party is shameless, the other cannot afford to be spineless.

Our nominees have tried the "please don't hit me" approach in the past, and it doesn't work.   The conserative message machine is going to call Democrats running for office "liberal" no matter what positions they take.  They need to get over it.  It's a worn - out trick that can be dealt with.  When we  project weakness, it makes it easy for Republicans to paint us as weak.  This perception bleeds over to issues like national security.  As we saw in 2004, voters respect politicians who stands up for their beliefs.  Considering the broad support for our core values, this is a no - brainer.

If we thought our nominee was going to be a pushover, we wouldn't have been so energized during the primary season.   Senator Obamas words brought all kinds of people to their feet, becaue those people believed them.   We've seen time and time how words can inspire.  But if they turn out to be empty campaign rhetoric, they make people more callous.

Whatever happened to "the fierce urgency of now?"  Whatever happened to "there is such a thing as being too late, and that time is almost here?"Those were beautiful, inspiring words.  But where they... just words?

I want to be excited about voting for Senator Obama, but the moral and political imperative demands that he use his immense talent to stand up for core Democratic values and win the election.  He can't do this if he is obscured in a mealy - mouted, everything to everyone stance.

After the 2006 election, Paul Krugman wrote about Democratic politicians being dragged by their base into taking highly popular positions.  We shouldn't have to rely on the Krugman Effect anymore.  Electing Senator Obama is important, but so is why we are electing him.   We support candidates because they represent our values.  We don't ignore our values because we support a certain candidate.

I'll vote for Senator Obama, and I'll do everything I can do to make sure others do the same, but at this point I'm not sure whether I'll vote for him with my head held high, or while holding my nose.  This election is not about Senator Obama, and we shouldn't hesitate to hold his feet to the fire.

It's 2008.  take a look around you. If Democrats don't take a stand now, when will we?

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After over 7 years of a lying war-mongering President (3.00 / 12)
who has done everything he can to evicerate US civil rights and trots out fear to justify alienating foreign AND debilitating domestic policies, I want someone who will tell the truth, who will stand up for my rights, who not only shares my values but will fight for them, for whom the rule of law is more important than the fortunes of AT&T.

I will vote against McCain, but that will not be enough for me to claim to be an Obama supporter.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. MLK Jr  


I'm sure Olbermann will go out of his way to justify Obama's support (3.00 / 6)
of the FISA Act.  He was all over himself trying to say that Obama's decision to refuse public money was not a change in position.

I guess I'll vote for Obama in the fall, but only because I can't stand McCain, nor can the country survive another 4 years of Repub rule.  But B.O. is a far distant second to the man who should be the nominee, IM not too HO.


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I'm not sure how my comment was posted here. (3.00 / 4)
It is out of order, and doesn't make any sense here.  It was intended to be a response to a later comment wondering what Olbermann has to say about this.  Sorry about that!

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Great rant Michael (3.00 / 13)
Obama was never my back-up choice. I believe that all Progressives will have to hold his feet to the fire, otherwise we risk more continued emulation of the Gop's definition of mainstream.

Bi-Partisan = Cave-in

I just got off the phone with my Republican Great Aunt & Uncle in New Hampshire, they are considering voting for Obama.

I will vote for Obama to prevent McCain. I did this in 2004 & 2000 and voted for the Democratic Prez Candidate that I did not support in the Primaries, I hope that someday,I'll  be able to vote in the Prez Election for the Candidate I supported in the Primaries.
In the meantime my Blogging & Contributing will be relegated to the Down-the-ticket Races and electing a more Progressive Congress. Those who feel so moved will be blogging for Obama.

Stop McCain

(-8.50/-7.44) "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama


As is... (3.00 / 11)
Almost always the case, I agree with you!!

Great diary!!

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One of your best yet, Michael! (3.00 / 12)
Hello, fellow Edwards supporters... Sorry it's taken me this long to "come around" to EENR. Lest you think me completely unstable, "life" took over not long after John suspended his campaign...I haven't been licking my wounds this entire  time.

There comes a time when silence is betrayal. ~Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Welcome liberaldemdave (3.00 / 10)
Well, ya got in under #675..LOL.

Alot of us have been sorting out life in the aftermath and for me this was the second time around.

As you can see we've been working prodigiously for Progressive Congressional Candidates and will have a Liveblog on Thursday with Candidate & State Senator Regina Thomas-D GA-12.
Hope to see you around.

Ed (Editorial Team EENR)

(-8.50/-7.44) "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama


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Correction, that is Tuesday (3.00 / 2)


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Welcome!! (3.00 / 3)
It is great to see you here!! We are mostly all about the same things as always here....

Best wishes!!

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Welcome liberaldemdave! (3.00 / 2)


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Thanks for writing this all down (3.00 / 9)
Thank you for your clarity. The fact that Obama teaches constitutional law makes his compromise on FISA extra disappointing. His students will wonder what the heck is going on.

I suspect there must be some kind of deal with the telecoms. The telecoms probably figure that if McCain is president, everyone's money will be spent on energy bills and the wars. Then far fewer people will have money for when the telecoms try to raise their rates when Internet traffic hits a peak. Pure speculation on my part.  

Thank heavens for Paul Krugman. I don't read any of the other NYT columnists too regularly, but I ALWAYS read Krugman.

By the way, what do Olbermann and Moulitsas say about Obama's FISA position? Anyone hear/read anything on that?

Supreme Court decision: one narrow vote for corporate personhood, one giant leap toward Banana Republic status.


I don't agree (3.00 / 4)
And I don't see why bringing up everything from the primary is going to help elect this man President.  I see this as being beyond a rant and I respectfully disagree.  I just do.

McCain will not restore the constitution when elected and he certain did not say this:


During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama - a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School - was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail...

Fawning is one thing but to use this wording?


I think it's obvious that "some politics are being played," and I'm beginning to wonder if, to use one of Senator Obama's own phrases, Democratic primary voters were "hoodwinked."

"Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program.

"[The bill] does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2...

Do you realize that Republicans have won on irrational fear the last two elections?  They used this as a means to scare the shit out of people to vote for them.  Do you understand that this is more complicated than that?

I want the diary about how McCain stands as well then and maybe you can tell me how you think he will restore the constitution and look over every offense the President did in his abuse of power?  You really think that's going to happen?

Mr. Ellinorianne for CA State Senate! (Gary Pritchard ActBlue CA-SD-33)


Elli (3.00 / 6)
I respect you as much as anyone, and will be voting for our ticket this fall. From bottom to top. I am sure Michael is too. However, we should always reserve the right to expect better from our leaders, and our party's leaders than we expect from men like John McCain on all issues. We should never refrain holding their feet to the fire too. I hope you understand that is all I am saying.

Best wishes to you!!!

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Agree also with RD (3.00 / 4)
All leaders should be held accountable, doesn't matter who they are, or which party.  Too much of the Netroots were in Cinderella-land and now are just waking up to the fact that Obama is less progressive than they thought, but all of us can agree he is more progressive than McCain.  

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I get putting (3.00 / 2)
their feet to the fire but I also believe that some temperance with our candidates is warranted.  I read some headlines about blogger's backlash on Obama.  Maybe it will work well with independents, I just know that McCain deserves the same if not more.

Mr. Ellinorianne for CA State Senate! (Gary Pritchard ActBlue CA-SD-33)

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I am sorry if this came across as too harsh to you. (3.00 / 5)
That was not my attention.  I admire all of your work, and I feel blessed to be a part of this community where I can communicate with people like you. I hope that others who read this will think that the substance of what I am trying to say outweighs any flaws in the presentation.

With that said, I consider myself a progressive populist first, a Democrat second, and an Obama supporter third.

I only vote for Democrats (never have voted for a Republican, never will... unless somehow I find myself in a fantasy land in which Lincoln Chafee says he will caucus with the Dems and he's running against Ben Nelson, or something like that) because they represent my values, just as I'll do whatever I can to help elect Senator Obama, because he best represents my values.  What I won't do is give Democratic "leaders" a free pass as they continue to show a near complete lack of a backbone.

I think that we need desperately need more Democrats who will realize that they can win elections and stand up for Democratic values. Becaus this is so critical, I think that we've got to be willing to tell the truth to our party's leaders.

I don't see any coherent rationale for caving on this.  We can't keep letting the GOP define the rules... or we'll always lose the game.  We allowed the them to politicize tragedy and prey on the electorate's fears post 9/11, and that didn't turn out well at all.  At some point, you've got to stand up and punch the bully in the mouth.  They are going to try to rough us up either way.

I don't think that winning and standing up for our values are mutually exclusive.  In fact, I think that, especially in today's political climate, just the opposite is true.  The electorate is with us, but we need Senator Obama to make our case, which he is clearly capable of doing.  I honestly think that if he allows Beltway think to infest his campaign, he will be more vulnerable to attacks from McCain.  We need to intelligently frame the issues, but we don't need to wave our white flag before the fight even begins.  Some things are worth fighting for.  This is definitely one of them.

I value your opinion though, and I will definitely take what you said into consideration.


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Thank you, Michael, (3.00 / 4)
well said.  

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Thank you (3.00 / 2)
I get why it's frustrating and I understand why many are outraged with his capitulation.  But I don't see what some of the other issues have to do with it and bringing up primary criticisms.  

Thank you for your thoughtful response.  I figure the dissent of the dissent is allowed as well :)

Mr. Ellinorianne for CA State Senate! (Gary Pritchard ActBlue CA-SD-33)


[ Parent ]
dissent is essential in a healthy democracy... :D (3.00 / 3)
not sure who said that, but it's true...

and that would cover dissent of dissent too methinks... :D

--poligirl

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


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what obama and his god-awful advisors don't see (3.00 / 2)
is how this "compromise" simply makes us look weak on policy, not weak on terror.  it also makes us look as corrupt as republicans, when it comes to caving in to corporate special interests.

obama is going back on his previous words, and he's a civil rights attorney who should know better than to let people get away with breaking the law, especially where our civil liberties are involved.

and more to the point, i'm getting sick and tired of having to defend these ridiculous blunders and mistakes.  i'm progressive, and i can't do it, i won't be pandered to.  how are we supposed to cheerlead and support when he's doing this to us and our values?

if they needed some sort of opposing ad campaign, a real one, they could have asked.  does anyone really think that gop voters, all those "bitter" god and guns folks out there in middle america, really want the government spying on us?  are they listening for the words "al queada" or the words "shotgun" or "ruby ridge"?

for a guy that "admires" ronald reagan, he should have stood his ground, as reagan did against communism and the fear tactics they used to justify their government.  he knew that the fear was nothing but propaganda, not true security, and he challenged it and stood up to it.  (that's the most kind thing i think i'll ever say about reagan.)

we're not weak on terror, the gop has been completely incompetent on terror.  we don't need to torture, we don't need to hold people prisoner without cause, and we don't need to freakin' spy on our own people!  we're americans, and this is how we do it.  govt officials and companies who break the law should be punished, and that's that.

it's a blunder you see--by moving right some, mccain can move more left, and before you know it, we both look exactly the same, and we're back to where we were in 2004--completely unable to defend and support a candidate that was only pandering to us, with no ground to stand on.  up against mccain, the lovely maverick, our lack of backbone is a real losing strategy--not a winning one.


[ Parent ]
Could you (3.00 / 4)
please cross post this at MyDD? Did you cross post this anywhere else?

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Washington Woman


I would love to cross post but I haven't accessed my account in months... (3.00 / 3)
I couldn't remember my password if my life depended on it.

I'll get a new account ASAP.  I'm not sure I'll be able to post it for a while though.

If you would like to post it some place, you have my full permission.

Thanks for the idea!


[ Parent ]
You could always (3.00 / 5)
go to the contacts page here:
http://www.mydd.com/write/cont...

and ask them to "fix" you.

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


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please (3.00 / 5)
make sure you always post a link back to EENR. Also, maybe give a little less at toher places and try and get them to come here.

At the very least, give a link back to your original diary here.

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


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While I will also vote for Obama, (3.00 / 4)
it will not be because I believe he stands for nany kind of change I want. Throughout his campaign he hasn“t, and his actions in the past week have not surprised me at all. Well, perhaps his saying that he will vote for the FISA "compromise" sent up from the House, does somewhat, but not really.

My only "hope" in voting for Obama is that he will appoint some Supreme Court Justices who will uphold what is left of our Constitution. But, I am not even sure about that now.


Wow you have put it in a nut shell. (3.00 / 4)
Excellent post I totally agree.  

This is a good diary (3.00 / 2)
And I'm very saddened by the FISA compromise. I'm still not over George Carlin and I don't know if I ever will be. It's times like these that make me take is words to heed, more than usual:

Congress does not give a shit about us. They don't give a shit. It's really starting to look and feel like this completely(and has for awhile now).

I have to give you props, MC.

Partisanship is not the problem.

You stated a short, but lively series I did while Edwards was in the race and you are right. Partisanship is not the problem and it never was the problem or the obstacle when it came to real social change in our history.

The only good news is that John Dean thinks Obama has an opening in this FISA bill later to make some changes to it as far as Telecoms Immunity, but I don't find it a good strategic move to not oppose it now, like you, but that is the only ray of light I can find in this, but I'm still very disappointed.

I'm more pissed at Nancy Pelosi for talking to me like I'm stupid(all of us). Like we don't know the current FISA rules already gives exceptions to monitoring calls in situations that involve terrorists, and this is just a gift to telecom companies and a capitulation plain and simple. She is definitely one of those rich critters who simply does not give a shit about us at all.





Some Great Points, Michael (3.00 / 3)
Obama's m.o., and the m.o. of many Congressional Democrats (i.e. corporate Democrats) is to triangulate/capitulate, and to give in to corporate interests.  This is why we are still in Iraq, we don't have universal health care, and Guantanamo is still in existence.

Democratic candidates seem to feel that by "being everything to everybody" and by  voting according to the latest poll, they can please everyone and win. Remember how Al Gore barely mentioned the environment in his run against Bush?  How about Kerry's emphasis of his military record and his goose hunting, while refusing to fight the terrible slander to his character by the "swift boaters?" In the end, no one is pleased, and the Democrats lose, because they appear weak.

In my view, bipartisanship is not the solution to the problems in Washington...We, Dems have been reaching out to the Republicans, and passing many of Bush's bills (Iraq War funding, FISA compormise, economic stimulus package, etc.)all along.  The Republicans, on the other hand, for much of Bush's tenure, have shut Dems out of committee meetings, have played fast and loose with parliamentary rules on votes, etc., etc.  How bipartisan is that?

As a friend once said, we Democrats have to stop being "The Me, Too Party."  We have to stand up for our progressive values--otherwise, why have two parties?  

This does not mean that we can't work with the Republicans...it just means that we have to stand up to them when they want to subvert our constitution and cave in to the corporate interests which control Washington.  

As Edwards so often said of our party "We are better than this."

Let's get a backbone and stick to the progressive principles for which our party stands...

It's time to throw poll numbers and corporate influence out the window...Let's stand up for the people and win in November!


That's just Obama being Obama (3.00 / 2)
We all knew he was like this from the outset. He left a trail a mile wide advertising his predilections to "compromise."

He said he was going to be post partisan. The FISA cave-in is exactly what he meant by that notion. It's no surprise at all. I've just gotta wonder how the kossacks could not have known he would do such things, with all their recent handwringing about the FISA bill (anybody see Marcos on Olbermann Monday night?) Obama's voting record told the story, but people ignored it. Humans have an amazing capacity to believe what they want to believe.

But the reality is he's the nom. Can't do much about that, though we fought the good fight. All we can do now is support him, or vote for Nader. I can't say I don't think about it, but then, I say that in every election, then I dutifully do the smart thing (a relative term) and vote for the one who has the best chance to get elected.

So I support Obama. I focus on his good traits, of which there are a few, thankfully. He has given the world hope that America will have a better net influence on global affairs. I do hope it turns out to be a net gain for progressive ideals when all is said and done.

Was Kerry any better? How about Bill? Or any other of the Dem nominees in recent history, for that matter. This is nothing new to me. It's the same old thing the Dem party does in every election.  


voting for obama in nov? not me (0.00 / 0)
i refuse to reward democrats i see as no different than republicans with a vote. and i refuse to reward democrats for their bad behavior in SELECTING a nominee instead of letting the primary process completely play itself out. i am voting Nader in Nov or writing in JOHN EDWARDS. they are the only two candidates who have EARNED my vote.

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