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Memo to The Senators: Ways YOU Can Stop the FISA Bill (aka We're Sick of Excuses)

by: poligirl

Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 07:00:22 AM EDT


Well, by now we all know that the House passed the shameful (and inherently unconstitutional by just about any study of the Constitution) disgrace that is the current FISA bill with a whopping 105 Democrats supporting its passage. This is the bill that makes the warrantless wiretapping legal as well as provides immunity for the telecom companies who knowingly provided the Bush Administration with our conversations illegally.

Many of us know that a filibuster is the surest way to kill a bill in the Senate and that there are 49 Democratic Senators, nine more than are needed to sustain a filibuster. By now, many of us also know that Obama intends to vote for the bill, as of course does head capitulator Harry Reid and other assorted Senators including some Democrats. And we are starting to hear the gurgling forth of excuses from a few of them, much of it akin to what we heard in the House last Friday.

Seeing that there may, in fact, not be enough Constitution-loving Democrats to filibuster this stain of a bill, and given that "not enough votes to filibuster" should never be an excuse for something this odious to pass in the Senate, I offer (or rather educate and/or remind) the Senators of not only the meaning of the FISA bill but also ways to block a bill that exist in the Senate in addition to a filibuster.

(Info below from the Senate's own website.)

Senators, please follow me below the fold...

poligirl :: Memo to The Senators: Ways YOU Can Stop the FISA Bill (aka We're Sick of Excuses)
Dear Democratic Senators,

I had been hoping you were all aware of the actual effects of the FISA bill, but I am now somewhat upset to be hearing creative "reasoning" going on amongst you all regarding the upcoming vote on this embarrassing piece of legislation.

Now, it seems (to me) appropriate, since you are actually working for the "people" (a gentle reminder if you will), for me, one of those "people", to offer you some advice and counsel concerning the FISA vote set to take place this week in the Senate.

First, a quick refresher for you on the 4th Amendment of our Bill of Rights, which is located (in case you've forgotten) in our beloved Constitution. The text of it reads as follows:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

No Warrants. None. The new FISA bill allows for warrantless wiretaps to be utilized with only the approval of the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence and only stipulates that they have "reasonable belief" that the person being tapped is outside the United States. Two people. Who work for one Administration. I think we all can imagine what "reasonable belief" means in the current Administration; especially in light of their high level of veracity. Not. Why we would give any Administration this kind of power with such little oversight is beyond me.

In addition, and I was hoping that you knew this, but the current FISA law already provides enough to facilitate any surveillance, foreign or domestic, that the government would need. And it's constitutional to boot. With the current FISA law, the government does have to get a warrant, but they can get it from the FISA Court which deals specifically with classified and sensitive cases. Further, the government can even start surveillance in an emergency and obtain the warrant retroactively; all they have to do is apply for the warrant within 72 hours of beginning surveillance. Regardless of new technology, the above provides for the need to move quickly, and the FISA Court was not designed to move slowly either.

The retroactive immunity for the telecom companies also bewilders me; it appears on its face to be an ex post facto measure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that in and of itself, unconstitutional? Oh yes, it is, according to Article I, Section 9 of our Constitution, which states:

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

Of course, this is the same section of the Constitution that contains the Writ of Habeas Corpus, so we already know that you probably skipped that section entirely, that is, if you studied the Constitution at all. (The SCOTUS had to overturn your idiocy on that one.)

So, now that I've outlined what many of us, the "people", know about the FISA bill, I have some suggestions for you to enable you to stop this shredding of our Constitution.

In order to stop the FISA bill here are some options for you:

First, you can object to the bill even being brought up to the Floor. For legislative purposes:

Whenever possible, therefore, the majority leader instead calls up bills and resolutions by unanimous consent. If Senators object to unanimous consent to take up a measure, they are implicitly threatening to filibuster a motion to consider it. They may do so because they oppose that measure, or in the hope of influencing action on some other matter.

Unanimous consent. That means all of you must consent. This also means that it only takes one of you to stop it. Granted, it may not make you popular with your peers, but this isn't the time (or issue for that matter) for popularity and politicking, this is the time to save the Constitution and the Country by extension.

If unanimous consent doesn't tickle your fancy, how about placing a hold on the bill?

Senators can even place a "hold" on a measure or nomination, although this practice is not recognized in Senate rules. "Holds" are requests by Senators to their party's floor leader to object on their behalf to any request to consider a matter, at least until they have been consulted. The majority leader will usually not even request consent to consider a measure if there is a hold on it.

If several of you were to publicly request a hold on the bill, it would be much more controversial for Harry Reid to bring it to the Floor as it would be flying in the face of this common Senate practice. It would (and this is for you Harry) provide the Democratic Senators who are in election situations with some cover: "Couldn't vote on it - a hold prevented it from even coming to the Floor."

If these things fail and there are not enough of you for a filibuster, here's one more option. This one would admittedly take quite a bit of ingenuity (and to be honest, we're not at all sure any of you actually have any ingenuity), but any of you could offer an amendment, and unlike in the House, that amendment does not have to be germane; it can have to do with anything.

Finally, Senate rules do not require that amendments be germane or relevant, except to general appropriation bills, budget measures, and matters under cloture (and a few other bills, pursuant to statutes). Consequently, if a committee fails to report a measure, a Senator may offer its text as an amendment to any other measure under consideration, without regard to the scheduling preferences of the majority leader.

Attach something that Democrats like and Bushlicans would have a hard time voting for - something that would almost guarantee a Bush veto. Timetables perhaps? Basically, this is saying "well, if ya want capitulation, here's your  g^*damn capitulation jacka$$." As there is no line item veto, BushCo would almost surely have to veto the bill. I know there is little hope for this option to be used, let alone survive Conference, but I figured I'd put it out there; you Democrats in the Senate look like you could use all the suggestions you can get.

So, guys and gals in the Senate, instead of giving BushCo what it wants this time and living up to what is becoming the historical name for you - The Capitulation Congress, why don't you all cowboy up and make us proud to have you representing us. We will remember and appreciate those of you who stood up for the preservation of our Constitution.

For those of us the "people" who would like to let your Senator know how you feel about the FISA bill, here is the link to the contact info for all the Senators.

For those of you still stewing about your Representatives in the House, here is the link for how they voted last week on the FISA bill, and the state by state links to their contact info.

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The Senate should sink the FISA bill:
yes.
no.
who's FISA?

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Can y'all tell I'm a bit peeved? lol.... Just Say No to FISA Senators!... (3.00 / 10)


(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards

Peeved? I have some words that will curl your hair or straighten (3.00 / 8)
it, depending.  LMAO!

poligirl, could you amend the diary and place a link inside to show each Representative's vote?  I would hate it if a person reading your diary missed out on an opportunity to see if THEIR Rep voted FOR THIS OBSTRUCTION of the RULE OF LAW.  I know I would want to let my Rep know that no way in Hell I would be voting for Him/Her this November if they did so.

Sometimes, you just need to tell them what is on your mind.

;-)

I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.
Adlai Stevenson


[ Parent ]
good idea - since there were so many, i'll put the link to the vote, and... (3.00 / 8)
the switchboard number for the House and Senate...

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
I'm happy to say the the two Rep's in my area voted against (3.00 / 8)
and I plan to send them a Kudo's message.

Some people were not so lucky, and need to send a message of doom.

I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.
Adlai Stevenson


[ Parent ]
yes, we do need to remember to send kudos for good things... (3.00 / 8)
carrots and sticks...

or rather, kudos and doom... ;>

--poligirl

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
Yes! (3.00 / 4)
We can't just yell at them when they do bad, we MUST give them NIG kudos when they do good!  
It is no different then training a dog or raising a child (I am not saying dogs and children are the same), positive reinforcement always works best... unless you are gdub, then jail would work best!

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


[ Parent ]
My reps (3.00 / 3)
Norm Dicks and Adam Smith both voted for the damn FISA!

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


[ Parent ]
Thank the Blue States God that (3.00 / 4)
Washington can point to my rep Jim McDermott (Old Reliable) voting against it.  (Someone's got to uphold our reputation.)
Oh, and he's just outside my district, but WA-Rep. Jay Inslee had some blistering things to say about the new bill and those who voted for it.

[ Parent ]
Great Diary poligirl (3.00 / 7)
and one that should be brought to the light and examined.  It peeves me also that as individuals, we try to elect the person to office that most represents our ideals and wishes.  Sure seems to me that once there, they turn away from those who elected them and do their own thing ( which may not benefit them in the long run).  

I believe Obama voted for this also.  I understand wanting to protect citizens and country, but this method is wrong.  I certainly don't have anything to hide or to say that would be earth shattering, but like many, I want to think I'm having a private conversation with whomever.

Again, thanks for an enlightening diary.  Senators are you listening?  


[ Parent ]
I thought you were, but (3.00 / 6)
that was just a guess. ;-)

US Casualties-Afghanastan Can click date link to see by date.


The imperative is to define what is right and do it. Barbara Jordan


[ Parent ]
These are all excellent suggestions, poligirl! (3.00 / 8)
Tahnk you for the diary.  

thanks for reading peacock! i've got my panties in a ruffle over this... (3.00 / 8)
one... it's an abhorrent bill...

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
Perhaps this should be sent to Feingold and Dodd (3.00 / 8)
and any others who you could think of.

methinks that'd be a good idea... after i sleep a little i'll figure out.... (3.00 / 8)
how the quickest way is to get it to them... not sure if their webform letters allow this much text - probably not - but there's gotta be a way short of faxing, since i don't have a fax...

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
Do yáll have Kinkos? (3.00 / 8)
There are faxes there.

[ Parent ]
for a buck a page... that's my last resort, but i'll get it to him... (3.00 / 7)
i'd like to get it to KO too, as much as that may make me bristle, he might actually care about it given his love for habeas...

we could use some pr... this bill stinks....

--poligirl

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
i have to dig into my files to find the old address, but i'm sure i have it... (3.00 / 7)
somewhere...

i'm gonna hit the hay at around 6am PDT and wake around noon... i'll do some before i go to AW at the beach.... i've just got to make sure it all goes out tonight...

if i had the fax numbers of them all i would do one of those ten dollar fax services for a months and then cancel when i was done.... :0

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
Googling, I found (3.00 / 7)
212-413-5189 for KO. This was from some blogs. I have no way to control that that is correct.

[ Parent ]
yeah, but we can try it, heh heh heh.... (3.00 / 7)
i know his parents address, but i don't want to send it there... lol...

--poligirl  :D


(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
i have to dig into my files to find the old address, but i'm sure i have it... (3.00 / 7)
somewhere...

i'm gonna hit the hay at around 6am PDT and wake around noon... i'll do some before i go to AW at the beach.... i've just got to make sure it all goes out tonight...

if i had the fax numbers of them all i would do one of those ten dollar fax services for a months and then cancel when i was done.... :0

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
the Sens need to know that we know they are giving us BS excuses... (3.00 / 9)


(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards

[ Parent ]
and especially Feingold and Dodd and Leahy, who are the only real... (3.00 / 9)
hope left...

--poligirl

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
Excellent diary poligirl! (3.00 / 9)
All Dems, most indies, Ron Paul Republicans, and even a decent chunk of regular Republicans hate the idea of telecom immunity... just like they hate the idea of lobbyists being able to buy off elected officials who are supposed to be representing us.

There is no excuse for this.  None. At. All.


thanks Michael! and your point is exactly mine... (3.00 / 9)
no more excuses... buck up congress.... fcol...

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
But Paul did not show up (3.00 / 8)
"Strange Bedfellow", indeed.

[ Parent ]
yep (3.00 / 6)
I thought he was the lone repug that voted against it, but he sat this one out.

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


[ Parent ]
Nope, Johnson of IL was the only Republican No vote (3.00 / 5)


[ Parent ]
I know (3.00 / 6)
that is what I was referring to. The almighty savior of our constitution RP, sat this one out.

I don't like repugs or libertarians.

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


[ Parent ]
Why is this happening? (3.00 / 8)
What are the reasons they are not protecting the United States' Constitution? They took an oath, swearing that they would. Whatever their answer, or answers if they have more than one - how do they stack up against the rights of 300 million people?

Photobucket    


Personal gain? Certainly no other reason (3.00 / 8)
FISA does not need fixing.

[ Parent ]
Oh my, but what would that mean? (3.00 / 8)
So 128 individuals are putting their own personal gain above the rights of 300 million people. It makes sense. After all, that has become the American way. But have the wealthy, privileged and comfortable senators gone so far in that direction that protecting the Constitution has become un-American? If so, then their oath of office needs to be adjusted to something like, "....I swear to protect and defend the Constitution, except when it interferes with my own personal gain."  

[ Parent ]
"Just" the Representatives so far (3.00 / 7)
We´ll hae to see what the Senate does.

[ Parent ]
The question I've obsessively been (3.00 / 4)
asking myself...

[ Parent ]
I was so peeved at House leadership (3.00 / 7)
that I sent Cindy Sheehan, who is running against Nancy Pelosi, a donation...seems like money is the only way to get Nancy's attention.
Thank you for your contribution to Cindy's campaign.
We can't do this without your help.

Peace,
Team Cindy
People before Politics



Supreme Court decision: one narrow vote for corporate personhood, one giant leap toward Banana Republic status.

So did I last weekend (3.00 / 5)
And I got buttons & a Bumpersticker. I'll be voting for Cindy in Nov.
I am thoroughly disgusted with our parties' stand (or lack of an appropriate one) on this.




(-8.50/-7.44) "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama


[ Parent ]
I believe there are two people running against pelosi. (3.00 / 4)
Could we get some up to date info, check their creds and see if we want to target one of them over pelosi?

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


[ Parent ]
These are the Candidates in CA-08 (3.00 / 3)
This should answer your question as to how I'm voting:

Nancy Pelosi (D)* - Incumbent
Dana Walsh (R) - Interior Designer & GOP Activist
Philip Berg (Libertarian) - Environmental Health Consultant, Community Activist & '06 Nominee
Lea Sherman (Socialist Workers) - Communist Political Organizer & '06 US Sen. Candidate
Cindy Sheehan (Independent) - Anti-War Activist & Mother of US Soldier Killed in Iraq


(-8.50/-7.44) "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama


[ Parent ]
Excellent diary! (3.00 / 5)
Keep it up! You do good work when you are "peeved" or pissed off!  :)

We all need to stay engaged, stay aware and get after these people! This is OUR country! OURS!

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


poligirl (3.00 / 5)
Do you ever cross post to other blogs?

If not, I would suggest you do. Maybe give them a taste of your "peevness" and link them back here?

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


i crosspost to that orange place but don't usually get much attenthion... (3.00 / 5)
there...

and i crosspost to my own blog on stuff like this but it's not that well trafficked...

i've given permission for things to be crossposted elsewhere too...

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
well.... (3.00 / 4)
How about giving us links to your cross post so that we may help push them.

Also, did you link back to this diary?

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


[ Parent ]
i linked back to the main EENR page... here's the big o linky... (3.00 / 4)
this diary at the big orange

it didn't get much play at all...

i am penning a version to fax to the Senators... will keep ya updated...

and sending to KO and Thom Hartmann if i can get fax numbers...

anyone else you can think of who should get it?

--poligirl

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards


[ Parent ]
You are now at (3.00 / 3)
MyDD:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008...

It might be a little late in the day but I still hope it does well.

Equal Time Radio

Washington Woman


[ Parent ]
thanks! :D (3.00 / 3)


(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards

[ Parent ]
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